I bring my readers a copy of a letter sent to Lipa Margulies by the group I’m working with to rid Yeshiva Torah Temimah of Yidi Kolko the child molester. If Margulies refuses the offer we move to the second step in our campaign to protect children from Yidi Kolko the molester.
Dear parents of Yeshiva Torah Temimah students, if Margulies does not remove Yidi Kolko the molester, Yeshiva Torah Temimah is finished. Either convince this evil old man to change his ways or enroll your children elsewhere. You will want your children to be very far away from Yeshiva Torah Temima when our second step hits (no, we are NOT threatening violence.) Your children do not deserve the stigma that will attach to them if Margulies doesn’t do the right thing very soon.
The Letter:
Rabbi Leopold Margulies
609 Ocean Parkway
Brooklyn, NY 11218
Rabbi Margulies:
This is to follow up on our earlier letters and telephone conversations.
To knowingly harbor a child molester is a crime. Despite your complicity in Yidi Kolko’s heinous atrocities and your continued refusal to remove this chronic child molester from our children’s classroom, we believe the greater good of our community is served by this matter being resolved without need for further action.
Accordingly, we are making the following offer. Our group and you will each deposit $100,000.00 [We suggest you fund your $100,000.00 contribution from the $1,900,000.00 you took from Yeshiva & Mesifta Torah Temimah on December 23, 2005.] with a mutually agreed upon major law firm. The law firm will have sole authority to spend the $200,000.00 investigating the charges of child molestation against Yidi Kolko and the charges against you of sheltering and covering up the child molesting. You will cooperate fully in this investigation. In the event Kolko and you are exonerated, we will reimburse your $100,000.00 and issue a public retraction and apology. In the event Kolko and you are found guilty, the report will be released to the public. For your causing countless families' lives destroyed, you must compensate them by setting up a five million dollar fund to be administered by Torah Umesorah.
As a condition of this offer, Yidi Kolko must be placed on immediate leave of absence.
You may announce your acceptance of our offer by contacting Rabbi Joshua Fishman of Torah Umesorah on or before February 16, 2006, 12:00 PM.
Please take heed and consider this proposal carefully for your business will not survive our next move. The progression of this campaign remains entirely up to you. We do not want to escalate this unfortunate situation to the next level. We are proud of our heritage and suffer greatly when scandal hits our community. Nonetheless, we will not sit idly by and allow you to devastate our children.
To paraphrase, it is not our purpose to destroy you or Yeshiva Torah Temimah, but only when child molesters have been extirpated from our schools and camps will there be hope for a decent life for our children.
CC: Rabbi Joshua Fishman
Rabbi Shmuel Bloom
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Leopold,
What did you do with the $1.9 million dollars you took from the yeshiva?
I'm looking at some phony transaction where you sold back to yourself your house for $3.8 million dollars????
What are you doing????
Have you lost it completely?
Does the IRS know about this?
They will now!
Lipa,
How does this guy know to the day that you took $1.9 million from the yeshiva on Dec.23, 2005???
He would not say the exact day and amount unless he was certain.
Please explain.
UOJ,
How do you know this?
Rabbi Marg.,
Did you take $1.9 million from the yeshiva? Yes or no.
Dear UOJ,
Maybe you can answer a SERIOUS question that a few of us have.
If you are indeed worried about the wellfare of our children & do not have an agenda, then why are you using all your koichus against Kolko & totally ignoring the other posts?
Many people have written about other yeshivas & camps - even gave names, yet you tend to ignore these posts & keep ranting about Kolko & Margo.
Why are you not concerned about these other molesters that "supposedly" molested "hundreds" of kids in Camp "R" and in the dormitory of Yeshiva "*" - even causing a alleged suicide.
I feel (and so do most observers) that you are not concerned for the children as much as you have a vendetta against Kolko & as soon as you finish smearing his name you will disappear!
Is this true?
Anon:
I'm an observer and you don't speak for me.
I think that UOJ and his chevra mean business and are going to finish koko and margolies off as an example to the rest of the molesters.
Once the molesters see that there is a price to pay they will think carefully before spending their lives around kids.
Dear Anon,
I am focused on setting an example because there is irrefutable evidence and witnesses in the Margulies/Kolko case.
There is also irrefutable evidence that Torah Umesorah and the Agudah have known about this for thirty years and have done nothing, which makes them accomplices to the crime.
So yes, we are using all our kochos to make an example out of this case..and to put everyone on notice that we will take one case at a time, deal with it and get it resolved.
As far as we can tell this is the absolute worst case of them all; a rebbe who is a known molester protected for thirty years by the minuvel Margulies and covered up by Torah Umesorah and the Agudah and the entire yeshiva world.
Once we dispose of these guys, which we will, the others will fall like dominoes.
I promise, We're here to stay and will clean up the system, one case at a time.
Why is UOJ moderating commentsthat have no profanity ?? Whats the story?? It was a very funny post ??
Rosh Kollel,
Please repost, it did not show up on the board.
Thanks
Yeshiva Review said...
UOJ,
Why would you let Torah Umesorah administer the fund if they have been complicit in the coverup? I would stay far away from them. Maybe the RCC should be the administrator.
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This is is not a very dificult question.
Put just a BIT of thought and you will figure it out.
If you learn rashi and tosfos then it is not to dificult to figure this one out.
I would rather have the "Black-Hatters" up in Otisville administer this fund than let Torah Umesorah anywhere within sniffing distance of this gelt.
These "Rabbonim" and "Mechanchim" that have turned the Christian (both) cheeks to the sex predators in our midst are now going to be e$crow agent$??!
Either get an Independent third-party law firm acceptable to both sides or a recognized "straight and untainted" Beis Din to be escrow agent for this money. Both entities exist to which all parties can be in agreement.
hey ouj---hows the weather on ave I today?
ouj you going back to white house this summer??
UOJ if you have so much irrefutable evidence why don't you share with the rest of us. Knowing what color his car was doesn't prove anything. Why not go straight to the DA?
UOJ, listen here.
Your end is near. This smear campaign won't last much longer.
You might not care about your estranged wife, but we know you care about your mother and your daughters.
If you don't want them to be thoroughly embarrased and you don't want to ruin their lives, you will put an end to this.
Otherwise, we will do what we have to put you out of business.
Strategically, we don't have to expose you right now, as we build up our arsenal.
But as you sit in your house in East 20s, know that your time is limited.
So get ready and be prepared for when we pull you down, once and for all, and get your disgusting self out of our midst.
You are a menuval, an evil person, one is so immoral and lacking any basic decency.
Good luck.
endUOJ@hotmail.com
kol mevaser
if uoj was worried about you why would he post your comment supposedly giving him away?
All i know is you talk big, but havent responded to any emails.
Kol, come on, tell us who is uoj?
I THINK UOJ IS WRONG FOR DOING THIS. I THINK THIS COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED IN A DIFFERENT WAY, I AM WITH YOU. KOL!!
Boog,
Not to worry, Margulies is not going to willingly put up a plum nickel.
We're just going to have to take it all away from him, every last stolen dollar!
UOJ, does your wife know you and she are estranged? Is Kol threatening your marriage? Maybe she will be so “embarrased” by your outing of Koko the child molester and Margolies his pimp that she’ll leave you.
Kol, tell us already, who is UOJ?
C'mon Kol,
PLEASE tell me who I am, I keep looking and looking...C'mon Mr. Kol-Putzy!
UOJ, your a sick little puppy,
i have no idea about the others, but you are for sure one!!!
how many people have you mollested??
UOJ I find it interesting that someone with so many skeletons in there closet is making all these baseless accusations. If you won’t consider the harm your doing to R’Kolko and R’Margolis’s family’s maybe you should consider what this will do to yours.
Put up or shut up Kol Mevazer. At least UOJ carried out his threats. You are a shmuck.
UOJ
one of the molesters found on the nys list is a chassidishe yid who is the son of Brauners Bakery on 13th and 54st
The man was thrown out of Satmer for molesting children. I dont know if that led to his arrest.
it looks like satmer knows how to handle these matters.
still no post???
kol mevaser;
you can go to JAIL for making serious threats against UOJ's family.
oh, and since you're so sympathetic for the molesters, I’m sure that in prison you’ll finally have the opportunity to be some rapist’s bitch and get to experience the hell all those kids lived through.
WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
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last update - 21:40 12/02/2006
Ashkelon community center worker suspected of CHILD MOLESTATION
By Yuval Azoulay, Haaretz Correspondent
Police on Sunday announced that they recently arrested a football coach at an Ashkelon community center on suspicion that he sexually molested dozens of children aged 9-13.
Oded Davush, 26, allegedly carried out the acts on children he was in daily contact with at the center.
Ashkelon police began investigating after recieving intelligence informaiton on the matter. The investigation yielded documents, including a diary in which the suspect recorded his sexual experiences with the children, giving each one a grade.
During his interrogation, Davush admitted that he had sexually molested minors since he was 14-years-old, but refused to give the names of his victims. Police said that the investigation conducted in recent weeks led to some 20 other victims, some of whom are no longer minors, who testified in the case.
Hashem, Yirachem Alayanu!!
UOJ i have posted 3 times and it has not been posted.Whats the story? No profanity just a good laugh ??
I find it odd that some of the comments try to reason with OUJ by arguing that his approach is not within the parameters of halacha. It is quite obvious that whoever this person is, he has no regard at all for halacha. In fact, I would be suprised if he were religious.
You lose all credibility when you refuse to publish comments.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/6http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/681867.html81867.html
Rosh Kollel,
You sound very confused, no wonder you're Rosh Kollel.
Are you posting on Margo's blog, cause I aint getting your Torah here.
This is a severe crisis that has nothing to do with UOJ. I got the letter in the mail, not on UOJ's site. This goes way beyond UOJ, his level of religious observance is not at issue here.
Go ahead expose UOJ, who cares. This has nothing to do with him.
The issue is protecting our children from monsters posing as Rabeim.
I would like to tell you about two people I know who left the Frum community after being molested by Yidi Kolko. They were so devastated by both the trauma of being molested and the way Kolko was protected by Margulies when they complained; they left us.
I had forgotten about them and Kolko until I got the letter. I thank whoever sent the letter for reminding me so that I can shout at the top of my lungs that this murdering of our children’s Neshamas has to stop.
We need to unite and rid our community of sick people who pose as Frum Rabeim in order to destroy our children.
Kolko’s guilt is the most open of all secrets in our neighborhood. Rabbi Margulies must fire Kolko.
HAARETZ
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Bnei Brak resident gets nine years for sexual abuse
By Itim
Tel Aviv District Court on Wednesday sentenced a 29-year-old Bnei Brak resident to nine years in prison and two years' probation for sexually harassing and assaulting six ultra-Orthodox youths between the ages of 14 and 16 over a period of years.
Avraham Asher was also accused of "offering" one of the youths to two of his friends, who also abused him. The two, Yossi Mozas and Yosef Garus, both 29, from Bnei Brak, were given much lighter sentences.
Mozas received a year's imprisonment and 18 months' probation, plus a fine of NIS 5,000. Garus was placed on a year's probation and given a fine of NIS 5,000. In handing down the sentences, the court gave little credit to the defendants' admissions to guilt, as they were made only after some of the youths had testified.
The court heard that Asher and his friends harassed the youths in bus shelters and at ritual baths in Bnei Brak.
Asher also assaulted the youths in showers and once visited a yeshiva in Jerususalem, where one of the teenagers studied. The court also found that Asher gave some of the youths small quantities of money in an effort to prevent them from revealing the abuse.
REPOST FROM MOTZI SHABBOS KODESH:-
I agree with mr. Pasik on the issue of a parent or other group that would oversee schools in regards to sexual and other abuse issues.I am frankly more concerned right now on what the best method of castration would be for Kolko/Margolies? A couple perplexing shailos I want to ask the oilam - Who goes 1st? Does one castrate the other?Do victims of their abuses get 1st dibs on the metal shears? Will there be a Kol Koreh announcing the issue? If so When will it be? and Who will sign it? Will UOJ be the MC? the play-by-play guy or the moderator ? Will there be live music? Who will play? What should be on the playlist? and lastly - Previously I had thought that the front doors of Tora Temima would be an ideal location , however it has come to my attention that there might not be enough room to accomodate all the chashuve rabbonim, askanim, bayshanim and gomlei chasadim who might want to grace the general oilam with their presence. I am proposing that some of the oilam here on this blog should get together a commitee to find a more appropriate venue- perhaps the Garden a la Siyum HaShas- but this time for an unfortunate house cleaning.Nassau Coliseum is also an option.Any suggestions from the oilam would be greatly appreciated! I have also asked a shaila and after clerring on the issue for a number of days,numerous overseas telephone calls to R'Elyashiv - the Rabbonim have concluded that for such an event- because of the tremendous kiddush hashem involved ...The Simcha Guidelines so religiously adhered to at all other times........will be WAIVED!!I am also very pleased to announce to the oilam that R' Pinchas Lipshitz has agreed to provide the entire middle godol page to us for FREE for all the pictures of the event. In other news- R'Lipshitz has also agreed to start providing frame by frame pictures of different Metsitzas B'Peh so that the yeshivishe oilam can analyze them to see if they were done K'daas and K'din.Apparently there is a new issue that has come up,what with all the talk of Metsitza...It has come to the attention of the chashuve rabbonim that some Metsitzas are not being done halachicly.In an unprecedented step they are asking for the oilams help in paskening!! If it is determined that the metsitza was NOT done correctly- It must be repeated!!!R' Lipa Margolies is setting up a hotline for those who need redos.(It should be noted that the chashuve rabbonim of lakewood ir hatora have henceforth BANNED any student from any frum school in lakewood if there is a chashosh of an improper metsitza-the oilam is requested to direct any inquiries or concerns regarding the hezkas kashrus of their metsitzas to R'Lipa Margolies-The lakewood oilam would also like to thank R'Margolies for his efforts in preserving this holy mitzvah!-(this is the real reason kolko is still on staff))R' Margolies is also asking for the oilams help in finding suitable locations for those redos to take place outside of the New York Metro Area. Within the New York area -locations are NOT needed- They will be held tentatively in Yeshivas Tora Temima. R' Yidi Kolko will be the mohel.In certain out of town circumstances- provided a full body picture is provided- R' Kolko will travel !!! A Mass Metsitza B'Peh REDO is planned for the oilam on the day preceding the Kolko/Margolies public castration.Half of Satmer will actually be serviced on the day OF the castration due to the Zalmen/Aaron fued. A Supreme Court Judge has ruled that the Zali's do not have to be serviced in front of the Aroni's due to their propensity for bringing violence and big black bodyguards to their gatherings. Certain members of the kehilla were concerned that it would not be a good mix.The Satmer Rebbe was vacationing in Florida and not (ever) available for comment. A Kol Koreh will be forthcoming! I humbly ask the oilam for any terutzim they might have for the above questions as well as any volunteers for the venue commitee.Gutt Voch and Kol Tuv.
REPOST FROM MOTZI SHABBOS KODESH: I agree with Mr. Pasik on the issue of a parent or other group that would oversee schools in regards to sexual and other abuse issues.I am frankly more concerned right now on what the best method of castration would be for Kolko/Margolies? A couple perplexing shailos I want to ask the oilam - Who goes 1st? Does one castrate the other?Do victims of their abuses get 1st dibs on the metal shears? Will there be a Kol Koreh announcing the issue? If so Whwn will it be? and Who will sign it? Will UOJ be the MC? the play-by-play guy or the moderator ? Will there be live music? Who will play? What should be on the playlist? and lastly - Previously I had thought that the front doors of Tora Temima would be an ideal location , however it has come to my attention that there might not be enough room to accomodate all the chashuve rabbonim , askanim,bayshanim and gomlei chasadim who might want to grace the general oilam with their presence. I am proposing that some of the oilam here on this blog should get together a commitee to find a more appropriate venue- perhaps the Garden a la Siyum HaShas- but this time for an unfortunate house cleaning.Nassau Coliseum is also an option.Any suggestions from the oilam would be greatly appreciated! I have also asked a shaila and after clerring on the issue for a number of days,numerous overseas telephone calls to R'Elyashiv - the Rabbonim have concluded that for such an event- because of the tremendous kiddush hashem involved ...The Simcha Guidelines so religiously adhered to at all other times........will be WAIVED!!I am also very pleased to announce to the oilam that R' Pinchas Lipshitz has agreed to provide the entire middle godol page to us for FREE for all the pictures of the event. In other news- R'Lipshitz has also agreed to start providing frame by frame pictures of different Metsitzas B'Peh so that the yeshivishe oilam can analyze them to see if they were done K'daas and K'din.Apparently there is a new issue that has come up,what with all the talk of Metsitza...It has come to the attention of the rabbonim that some Metsitzas are not being done halachicly.In an unprecedented step they are asking for the oilams help in paskening!! If it is determined that the metsitza was NOT dpne correctly- It must be repeated!!!R' Lipa Margolies is setting up a hotline for those who need redos.He is is also asking for the oilams help in finding suitable locations for those redos to take place outside of the New York Metro Area. Within the New York area -locations are NOT needed- They will be held tentatively in Yeshivas Tora Temima. R' Yidi Kolko will be the mohel.In certain out of town circumstances- provided a full body picture is provided- R' Kolko will travel!!A Mass Metsitza B'Peh REDO is planned for the oilam on the day preceding the Kolko/Margolies public castration.Half of Satmer will actually be serviced on the day OF the castration due to the Zalmen/Aaron fued. A Supreme Court Judge has ruled that the Zali's do not have to be serviced in front of the Aroni's due to their propensity for bringing violence and big black bodyguards to their gatherings. Certain members of the kehilla were concerned that it would not be a good mix.The Satmer Rebbe was vacationing in Florida and not (ever) available for comment. A Kol Koreh will be forthcoming! I humbly ask the oilam for any terutzim they might have for the above questions as well as any volunteers for the venue commitee.Gutt Voch and Kol Tuv.
Im terribly sorry to the oilam -but it seems that Ive written a shtikl without the proper haskomos-In no particular order -
1.)The heilige Admor MiBullshitz
2.)The 3rd cousin of the 2nd wife of the current Satmer Rebbe(He used to sell used cars -now he has a shteibul in Bensonhurst)
3.)The son of the equally heilige Admor MiCrooklyn
(the admor himself was not able to comment-he is presently on vacation in Otisville N.Y)
4.)The Shitter Rebbe
5.)The 2nd uncle of the Fullabulla Rebbe
6.)The sister in law of R'Shamshon Dreklord
7.)Rebbe from Crackhure
8.)R'Leibele Benzona
9.)R' Itzik Chaim Dov Bear -the Admor of Jukim
10.)R'Zevel Zevalim
-Unfortunately the litvishe rabbonim were tied up in the lakewood city council office and were not available for comment-for all those who only hold by the litvishe rabbonim -please refrain from reading any of my comments until you can find 4 haskomos from rebbeim you hold of!!
I can tell you that you have gotten the Agudah's attention. They are seriously looking into this - including some very prominent rabonim.
UOJ
its amazing the coverage of your letter. The people in Chust (12th and 52nd) are talking about it. The Chuster rav is quoted as saying that he heard this story 25 years ago. But it could be just a bilbul.
Alter yiddilech in Boro Park, got the letter, and are wondering what is going on. The one comment they all say is that the letter should of been signed.
Anyway, I dont what list you got, but the breadth and depth of the campaign is astounding.
to above TT parent.
Please think of your own screen name. please do not take mine. It will just confuse UOJ.
ps. UOJ-- Why no credit on your post for the suggestion. I do not agree with the $ 5 million fund. That is pushing it. Exoneration for R' k and m or substantiation of the allegations should be sufficient. If the independent report concludes there is substance, I am sure that the victims will be emboldened to take whatever legal action (beis din or court) and against whoever is responsible is available. At that point they should have community support.
Now the Agudah is "looking into this".
Better late than never.
VA'Yeekatz Paroh"
Let's just hope that they don't treat this as a dream but bitter reality and deal with it.
to above tt parent.
pleas think of your own screen name, please do not take mine. It will only confuse uoj.
UOJ:
Why no credit for the suggestion in your post. I do not agree with the $ 5 million fund. It will only prevent the solution from happening.
If the report substantiates the accusations, the victims will be able to come forward with community support and take whatever action (beis din, court) against whoever is responsible at that time should they wish to do so.
Mr. Mavaser:
You miss the point entirely.
Expose UOJ, if you can find him before he announces himself. Expose the rest of us if you can find us before we announce ourselves. At worst, you cause us to deviate slightly from our timetable.
An integral part of our campaign involves us identifying ourselves very publicly. We have nothing to hide.
Unlike us, Kolko & Margulies have everything to hide.
You choose to collaborate with a chronic child molester and his protector. Strangely you attempt to fly the flag of Torah over their encampment.
We are here to say that enough children have been sacrificed at the altar of Kolko & Margulies. Ours is not a pagan religion, we do not sacrifice our children.
We, not you, are going public to expose the sordid details of Kolko's perverse assaults on our children. We, not you, are going public to expose the cover-ups and threats that Margulies has used against Kolko’s victims.
Kolko and Margulies are hiding under their rock afraid of what daylight will bring.
Will you stand by their side as they are exposed, or will you then disassociate yourself from them?
You sound sincere in your convictions. Do your own research.
If Kolko is a chronic molester and if Margulies has been protecting him for decades; do you want to be anywhere near them? Do you want to defend them?
You have a few days, work on it.
B'fnei Kol Am V'Edah:
I want to credit TT Parent with the suggestion to put $100,000 in to a fund matched by Margulies to investigate the charges.
I expect real soon, all the rabbonim that were asleep at the wheel, will jump on the bandwagon and support this initiative.
Margulies could put up a trust deed of $5 million, secured by the tzibbur's real estate, he doesn't have to stick his filthy hands into his Swiss account where he's hiding millions.
Ultimately, I AM AFRAID OF NOTHING OR NOBODY! I WILL ANNOUNCE WHO I AM GLADLY, WHEN I"M READY.
In the meanwhile you kolellnickers with nothing to do go back to Atlantic City, you're wasting your time looking for me, you'll never find me unless I decide I want you to.
extirpated:
to remove completely. a surgical term.
Is UOJ a doctor ?
"I expect real soon, all the rabbonim that were asleep at the wheel, will jump on the bandwagon and support this initiative."
Everybody loves a winner.
If I were you, UOJ, I'd give these "Rabbonim" a swift kick in the arse.
Once we take care of this, we can move on to the shams that are the Kehillah Kashrus and the opponents of the Flatbush Eruv... among others.......
Once we take care of this, we can move on to the shams that are the Kehillah Kashrus and the opponents of the Flatbush Eruv... among others.......
ask shlomie klein what the fight was with kolko and camp manavu ask him under oath
ps Why do you need word verification if you have comment moderation
and the opponents of the Flatbush Eruv...
There is no bigger sham then a "rov" who take money to pasken on an eruv!!!
Rosh Kollel - your hilarious -put me on your commitee- I d pay to see that
you need word verification if you have automated spammers hitting you.
this limits the number of posts uoj has to screen.
Dear UOJ,
UOJ more threatining then KOLKO, is the situation at Toras Moshe. Former Yeshiva may not know, but that abuser has a long history of abusing fellow classmates. In Shar Hatorah in Queens he abused a handful of Kids. Rabbi M and Rabbi F know of this history and atleast three instances in TOMO. Rabbi M handpicked this guys wife.
This guy works "hands on" in Toras Moshe with all the 17 and 18 year old first year students. He is gaining a tremendous amount of respect and influence. How dangerous of a situation.
He must be warned that your crusade will come his way if no action is taken.
I don't think this boy has bad intentions, just a problem he can't control. Rabbi M and Rabbi F deserve the blame for enabling him. How must this make his victims feel?
We all know the TOMO kid that jumped from the Empire State Building. (Baruch Dayan Emes)
My year In ToMo another Talmud was talked off the roof by Wallace.
(Not sure how this relates to the abuser, Speeks more to the institution)
Unlike Kolko at this moment, this guy presents a clear and present danger. I am begging sincerly that something is done.
Wow, I just finished crying. Angerysouls blog is powerful and appears truthful. Why don't you post a link to his site. It is an excellant read and seems to be much more fact based and/or detailed that this one. Appears to be about Romimu and this guy Shapiro.
angrysoul.blogspot.com
boog said...
If I were you, UOJ, I'd give these "Rabbonim" a swift kick in the arse.
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boog,
did your mommy used to belt your ass when you misbehaved?
OUJ
why did you allow the anonymous comment with the name of the guy in romimu? did you check it out first?
Most popular Chareidi-Israeli forum writing about the subject:
http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/hydepark/topic.asp?topic_id=1802457
OUJ
why did you allow the anonymous comment with the name of the guy in romimu? did you check it out first?
Yes, all checked out. Unfortunately true.
Hey anon; you low life tinaf,
You can wash my jock after my next workout at the Kosher Gym.
boog,
when you misbehaved, your mommy used to scream -
whats gonna be with you low life tinaf!?!
and next time, try the non kosher gym. You'll have a better chance at kicking arse there.
Nosson Shapiro and he lives on P and East 26th Street. Nosson Shapiro and he lives on P and East 26th Street. Nosson Shapiro and he lives on P and East 26th Street. Nosson Shapiro and he lives on P and East 26th Street. Nosson Shapiro and he lives on P and East 26th Street. Nosson Shapiro and he lives on P and East 26th Street.
Thank You
UOJ
Thank you
blogs for finally giving these victims a voice.
May all you screaming of motzie shemroh and loshon hora grow the f up.
Do you think we are all making this stuff up because we have nothing better to do????????????
Kolko, Shapiro, DL from TOMO that's who your anger should be directed at. They have destroyed lifes.
What about Rabbi W from Torah Vodas. He has abused many of my friends and gotten away with it till today. Made two of my friends strip in front of each other.
That Principal from YOB that physically abused his students for
2 decades.
TOMO thing is notorious.
Shar Hatorah dorm is action packed, they should get a webcam in there.
All we hear about is the God-dam erev and the mob like Kehilla Kashuras. (also connected to TT bu the way)
And I'm sorry UOJ, the system is so corrupt that I have completely lost my faith.
Id say that Rosh kollel has the right idea- threat of public castration would do wonders for stopping some of these characters in their tracks- Obviously this would never happen but whatabout a system of accountibility like- Megans law but for the frum world- like DONT HIRE XYZ_ HE IS A PROVEN MOLESTER- if not everyone than at least the menahilim who run our schools their has to be a way to scare these guys into not behaving this way- their obviously not afraid of god .how bout some fear of their fellow man!
From where I stand, and from what I have seen, one of the tragic limitations of the Ultra-Orthodox community is that a community which claims to be so concerned with self-improvement (at least, among the Intellectuals of this community) consistently invokes anti-semitism, or it's daughter, anti-orthodoxy, in order to discredit all complaints and criticism of any and every aspect of the community, even if the allegations might be true.
If the accuser is a gentile, he is a soneh yisroel.
If the accuser is a secular Jew, he is a self-hating Jew.
If the accuser remains anonymous, his anonymity proves the accusation itself is bogus.
And if he reveals himself, he is a bold-faced liar.
I do not claim to know any of the people involved like UOJ does, though yes, I know him well enough to know that he will make sure to have more than sufficient reason before going on this type of campaign.
But I would prefer to see the community as concerned with the innocent and the victims of these alleged abuses as much as they are concerned for the people and institutions who have their reputations at stake.
I would not insist on anyone accepting a guilty verdict at this time. I would ask that serious concern be shown for those who claim something is very wrong at a specific insitution under a specific administration involving a specific employee.
Abuses can happen anywhere. The question is how an organization responds to them. That was the controversy in the Lanner case; not Lanner himself. The horror and controversy was that the OU let it continue. That was what was most hurtful.
These comments are gut wrenching. As a Yeshiva graduate with children in Yeshiva I'm frightened at the lack of action by the schools.
UOJ, you have the right idea. Target one monster and make an example of him by finishing the job.
Then move on to the next case and finish that one.
It won't take long for the organizations we fund to wake up. They understand public pressure and loss of support.
You've earned yourself a special place in many peoples lives for what you are doing. May you be blessed with success in everything you do.
I went to both Shaar Hatorah and ToMo some years back, and I think I know who "DL" may be...man, where was I when all this was happening? I was completely oblivious to anything like this going on.
Re: Naming names above - while I am in no way defending these horrendous acts chas v'sholom, I question whether publicly outing these people is the proper thing to do, on both a practical and halachic level.
These people are obviously sick individuals and need the proper help and supervision, and anyone who read angrysoul's blog knows that the perpetrator is currently getting that. If someone wants to take legal action against him for personally being abused, etc, then by all means go ahead. As Angrysoul said, he's got a "team" of people working on this with him, and I wish him much hatzlacha bringing the individual to justice and trying to right his own life and emotional well-being. Mentioning the person's name here in a public forum so people can discuss and denegrate him does not do anything at all to rectify the situation.
On the halachic aspect - someone who thinks that people need to "grow up" because they are concerned about lashon hara and motze shem ra being spread, has ALOT of soul searching to do. Yes, it's something we all struggle with, but to state openly that we all need to direct anger at a certain individual because of bad things that he has done, that is plain old GROWN UP LASHON HARA, no two ways about it.
As a former victim of one of the names mentioned in some of the quotes and comments by someoe on this site.... I can assure you there is basis to what is being said. I for one dont think my 2 instances had any affect on me personally, but it is not even about that. It is about the way the institution I studied at dealt with it. I approached the faculty and the response I got was basically we do not believe you, and cant help. The bottom line is that this stuff exists more than anyone, especially in the orthodox community can ever imagine. People are scared because of reputations, shidduchim etc...... and we dont find out about 75% of these stories. It is something that must be made aware to the public and to parents just to make kids aware and be open and too understand this is not normal and there is nothing wrong with admitting this and telling the appropriate ppl when it does happen... because g-d forbid and heaven help all the ppl that have real real problems that stem from being molested as children and have to deal without through out their lives.
dont know the true motives of uoj but the point is important nonethelss and ppl must know that this frikin exists! stop being so damn blind!!!
-lucky victim who ended up just fine
anon;
You are Rodinesque. I'm impressed.
Stay away from non-kosher gyms; you can catch a communicable disease.
How else should DL be handled?
Meiselman and Fishman know of his long history of abuse. Meisalman has made his own faulty determination, fueled by his "I know better then the whole world attitude" that DL is cured.
At least 3 victims have come forward, detailed accounts of how they were victims of sexual assault. Some of a very serious nature. He allowed him to stay in School each time and abuse again. He has a history of sexually attacking fellow classmates in S Hatorah. On two occasions, Meisalman suggested that the victims leave the school instead of the predators. Anyone that is educated in these matters knows that there’s no such thing as a quick cure. Marrige may help for the short term. Trauma may help for the short term. But removing the predator from an environment with “ripe” victims is essential.
DL's own father is a therapist who treats members of our community. His father fails the community. His father should know better. The are many ways DL can lead a productive life, in learning if he so chooses, while keeping a distance from children.
I don't think it is any of our intentions to get DL in trouble. He needs to be removed from his position.
Meisalman's and Fishman's decision making needs to be publically called into question. They can not be trusted with our kids.
I must say.... being a victim of names and places mentioned above, I do agree that there is no reason to name names or initials. In Tomo's case, there are major problems with that place but the specific names arent the real issues, they are minor cases that happened along the way and there is no reason to ruin anybodys names or reputations for acts that happened years ago. If you want to deal with that in a private way, by all means, that is fine but no reason to publicize that here. The real issue are the ppl running that place... they are the ppl who should be called out here. As heads of a yeshiva they handle these terrible situations so poorly and I think that's the broader more important issue; how will these yeshivas and rabbi's handle such events in the future? As for meiselman, no one is saying he is a rasha or bad person.... just factual he is no f'ing clue on how too handle any form of sexual abuse that goes on in his yeshiva. So yea... good guy (according to some) but zero clue when it comes to this stuff.
Ciao
to the person that said he was "oblivious to all that went on" hello that is exactly the point of this all. Ppl think they can tell who are molestors, and who arent. They think they can tell who gets molested and who doesnt. It doesnt work like that unfortunately....... some ppl you would never dream have severe issues. And others who you would never think have been molested, have been for years and you would never ever know it. PPL dont talk about this stuff, they bottle it up. They are embarrased and think ppl wont believe them. So yea... the fact that you were "oblivious" means nothing.... if anything it is exactly the point!
I do not disagree that there needs to be made an awareness of what is going on, or even that this discussion should be taking place here (although I have to say that writing about this on a blog accessible to the entire world can probably do as much harm as it does good).
My point simply was that for all those people who think it is their responsibility to call out names and publicly smear people for things they have done, I think it's not the right way to handle this, let alone completely against halacha.
Yes, I am definitely enlightened by what I am reading here (and scared s!%@less for my own kids now whenever I will send them anywhere), and if these stories are all true then there is a serious flaw with the way Rabbonim handle these cases when made aware, but the right thing to do is to educate them that this is a real and serious issue, and that they have to use their power to stop anything going on and prevent it from happening again. I know that this is what I am getting out of this forum. But me, you, or anyone else knowing the names of who did what and where is NOT changing anything or helping anyone on this blog.
Who's DL?
Completely disagree with Oblivious. Obviously, the rabbis have been informed of these issues, and have done nothing. So what do you expect UOJ to do? Telling the rabbis is no solution. Letting these people get away with murder is also not a solution. Until you have a better idea, this is the best way. We do it with men who don't give getts, so there's some precedent.
Don't just bash the site. Come up with an alternative, other than "tell the rabbis."
"(although I have to say that writing about this on a blog accessible to the entire world can probably do as much harm as it does good). "
Oblivious, I thoroughly disagree. i hope you'll allow me a moment to explain why.
This forum is the only forum issues like this can be hashed out for all to see. Sadly, there is no other way for people to understand why and how to protect their kids if they cannot see what really goes on.
While this specifically and uniquely relates to sexual molestation (see angrysoul.blogspot.com), it has a much broader application as well.
The Orthodox Jewish community's obsessive compulsion for hiding issues under the rug has lead to well more failed marriages, abused children and wives, problems with intimacy, learning problems, genetic disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness, and poverty than there should ever be.
I'm not saying we are suffering more than the outside world. I am saying we are suffering well more than is necessary. Much could be avoided.
This is because if more Orthodox Jewish people could just talk to each other, if they weren't so deathly afraid of what revelatory discussion might lead to, they could understand that they are not alone, that there is practical action they could take, that there is light at the end of the tunnel, and most of all -- that they are not hopelessly abnormal and pitifully alone.
Blogs allow people to talk and resolve issues that the community, by virtue of its misunderstood conception of loshon horah and over protecting of our children for shidduch purposes, would ever allow.
Because we do not talk or admit our failures in public, we have bred disfunction and abetted the dysfunctional.
So I believe that blogs are opening doors and bringing sorely needed information, validation, and normalcy to people who are sheltered and suffering the forced myopia that the cloistered orthodox community has brought upon itself over the past 30 years.
If you have bitachon and believe that Hashem has his hand in everything, then maybe you could conceive that communities built on blogs are the blessed right event at the most opportune time.
oblivious;
You make a good point. In a perfect or even semi-perfect world this would be the correct route to follow.
Unfortunately as has been indicated here many times these Rabbonim and organizations are complicit in this nefarious behavior by either ignoring it and turning a blind eye or handling it very poorly by placing onus and blame on the victim for bringing the complaint in the first place rather than acknowledging that the complaint may have merit and doing a proper investigation.
Agudah and Torah Umesorah can take a well-deserved bow in this regard. Had they had the courage to face this problem head-on, this discussion topic led by UOJ would probably be moot.
You speak of adherance to Halacha. Commendable and duly noted. What of the our Rabbonim's and Leadership's responsibility to halacha pertaining to this particular retzicha?
They have been out to a very long Lunch break.
I completely disagree. We are not talking about the past. Incidences have been reported in TOMO and linked to DL in the past 2 years. Meisalman has been advised strongly by several parents and students. DL presents a clear and present danger. Ask anyone qualified, given the circumstances, he is in position to KILL. (some would say victims of abuse get a worse fate then death)
How do you suggest handling this matter???????
In my view protecting the lives of innocent children prevails over any concerns for reputation. Deal with that. Public pressure and embarrassment is the only weapon we have to create the significant and important changes needed in our yeshiva system. The gadolim do hardly anything about these matters and ere on protecting their own. It’s amazing how much more press and emotional volatility the stupid erev caused. Then every Rabbi had a stupid drasha.
This seems to be the point that is missed by many of you on this blog and in the yeshiva world. This is the precise reason that these predators are allowed to roam free in Yeshivas and Camps for all these years. You naive, sheltered, poor, pathetic, SHEPARDED souls. Yes! you think you get credit for following this devilish path so unwittingly? From the gedolim on down. You enable and create these monsters and may you be punished severally in the world to come.
Concerns for reputations, Shidduchs, Loshon Hora, Etc is NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL. We are left with no choice. The value of human life presides. Nothing will be done without public pressure and the public airing of the names of predators that the yeshiva system continues to harbor without regret.
These SICKOS made their bed-now let them sleep in it. God knows their victims do.
dear ben hirsch
many of us are not upset at your attack on various possible mollestors
but by your calling the ari zal full of s--- etc you have shown yourself to be a mivazeh chachmim and someone who has no chilek in olam haba
Who is ben hirsh?
Call up TAB and demand they remove this menuval from the board. He is a mevazeh chachomim and a mechalel shabbos befarhesia.
"dear ben hirsch
many of us are not upset at your attack on various possible mollestors
but by your calling the ari zal full of s--- etc you have shown yourself to be a mivazeh chachmim and someone who has no chilek in olam haba"
That is his business. but protecting children from child molesters is EVERYONE'S business.
is he the 72 year old aushwitz survivor who is an architect?
some anti holocaust websites have him burying some soap he claimed was made from jews, and the US holocaust museum barred him from speaking there because of the claim that they feel is false. The US holocaust museum says no jews were turned into soap.
Or is it the game designer?
google searcher no this a 40 year old real estate lawyer a farbissener dude going through a divorce. Just wait when the letter from the Rabbonim come out.
comments are moderated. Do you think uoj would allow his identity to be posted????
uoj is sitting and laughing at all this shpeculeering.
uoj- by the way, have you considered stopping comment moderation? your site isn't the same good it used to be.
Still Wondering: Right on!
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Ben Hirsch is a nephew of an Adam Godol but this will not help him. He (is/was) a Bigshot at T.A.B. He davens in Rabbi Fisher Shul. He is a Menuval a Apikores and a Mechalel Shabbos.
and he is personally responsible for killing Jesus Christ
Ben hirsch was also last seen on the grassy knoll in Dallas, when JFK was assassinated. He is a prime suspect in the investigation.
Ben hirsch is actually not Ben Hirsch. He is so evil that he stole that name from the real Ben hirsch. He's very sneaky. also, i heard a rumor in the mikveh that he is the yeiter horah. so if he tells you to do an aveirah, don't listen.
Last year at the Academy Awards, ben hirsh wore a bow tie that clashed with his tuxedo. He is mamaesh a walking chilul hashem. oyvavoy.
Ben Hirsch is actually yidi kolko. he's a megalomaniac and sent out this letter to get attention, coud you believe it?? I just heard this from a guy I know who i saw on line at chapanosh
This isn't funny tosay allthose silly things about someone who is mamesh a soyneh yisroyel. your mamesh a letz. Ben Hirsch is a very bad guy. He is trying to make rabbis look bad. This is not a joke. Gradeh on yom kipper when bow koyrim we need to ask merchiylah fromt eh aybishter that we are making people with smeecha look bad. I heard that Ben Hirsch once refused to cross an old lady whoneeded help crossing the street. is this a ben toyrah. no way. He must be ignored.
anon very funny - this is no joke there is more than enough evidence to prosecute this menuval.
Peratim Yavou
ben - look out your window!
Hello. is this thing on? Oh, sorry. My name is Ben hirsch. i am so embarrassed. you see, i just wanted to do something that will make people like me. since my wife left me, i've been so angry. everything just seemed to be going wrong. so i hatched up this crazy scheme to make up all kinds of things about fine upstanding people. I'm so ashamed. One thing i did was pretend the Batei din were corrupt. it's so untrue. There really has never been a corrupt bais din that was blinded by political and monetary considerations. i really shouldn't have said that. Also, i accused certain rabbi of stealing Oy Vey was that off base. What i really meant was that all Rabbis are very scrupulous about NOT stealing. oops. My bad. Also, i made up this craaaazy story about child molesters working in yeshivas. it's just this nutty story i made up. i hope you can forgive. also, to be truthful, the only reason I'm writing this now is because I'm so upset and scared that my real identity has been found out. i hope all the people that i said not so nice things about will forgive me. Are we good? It was really just a misunderstanding. i'll never do it again. OK? you're not mad or anything? Are you?
Stop making these jokes. you are angering the prophet Muhammad may his holy name be blessed. you better stop making all these jokes. Your making us look bad. you are brigning shame to us with your not funny jokes you make yeshiva people look like peasant morons when we're really very smart. stop joking or we'll burn your embassies and make death threats
Ben why don't you start posting comments from your other screen names - boog gross tt letter supporter.
Also I see you filed bankrupcy whats up?
Don't want to pay alimony?
Ben Hersh is the person who has been stepping on my begonias every spring. if you find him please let me know. i want to have a word with him.
finally, people will stop making fun of my name.
Ben. what abut your neighbor's lawn mower? Huh!?? I'll bet you think we don't know about that. It's true folks BENNy boy here once borrowed his neighbor's lawn mower AND DIDN"T FILL UP THE GAS TANK BEFORE RETURNING IT!!! HAHAHAHA We're On To You!!!
Ben what's the matter? Can't put down the toilet seat after you pee? Where are all your so-called frineds now. Huh boog? huh tt letter supporter.
your frined Ben here once forgot to wash his hands after using the bathroom. What do you think of him now.
Your finished benny-boy
Oh, and Ben-what's this we see about you and a certain "rabbi koko" if that is his real name. He says he molested you once. oh, wait, that would prove your point and make us look foolish. scratch that folks.
I'm really UOJ, I had nothing to do one day after the kids got off my lap, so I made up some shit about myself.
And the next day I really had nothing to do with myself, needed to get some tongue action, so I licked about 20,000 stamps.
Well, enough, I'm off to daven maariv at weinfeld's with a minyan, than I have to get some sleep because I daven at V'seeken.
sorry to interupt this conversation. i see your all busy threatening people an stuff. But do any of you guys know how to get to avenue J and East 18 street. I'm late for a b'iyun shiur im giving at the youbng isreal.
Am I going to lose my camp?
UOJ, please dont expose all my homo counselors!!!!!!!
looks like this site has been hacked.
Is angrysoul.blogspot.com a scam?
angrysoul is a victim we should all be helping him out and smoke out all the fags in our midsts
First your opponents said there is no letter. Then they said you wouldn't mail the letter. UOJ when can we strike 'em with Makah # 2?
This cancer must be stopped!
chop 'em down, chop 'em down
Romimu also has fags. Why is everyone going after me?
how dare you say this site was hacked. we're a bunch of serious yeshiva guys who are so proud of ourselves that we may have outed the very person who is trying to ruin our wonderful existence of ignorance and blind bliss. you better take all our threats seriously we mean business. It doesn't matter than we've never seen a sheygetz or shvarsa that we didn't run from. It doesn't matter than the most terrifyng thing we can do is join the shomrim and run after graffiti artists. Were mean and threatening and we mean business. this ben guy is history. we will threaten him to death. We will spread mean rumors about him. And if we so much as see him in shul again, we'll talk about how we'll get him for so long, he won't kow what hit him. He better watch out. when we see at landaus, we're tell the meshulachim that he's loaded and they should interupt him during shema to ask for money. He should be really scared. We yeshiva guys are going to ask him VERY DIFFICULT QUESTIONS very fast to try to confuse him. That's right. He won't have TIME to think of a teretz. and if he thinks he'll get away with making it seem like we're letting achild molester run loose he's got anther thing coming. Why if we see him even ONCE on Ave. M, we'll follow him and take his parking spot if he so much as tries to park. and if he shlugs kapores, we'll give him the chicken with a stomach virus. He'll be sorry he crossed us. you got that right. if he thinks he'll get away with this then let him wait for a piece of kugel at the kiddush. we WON"T HIM HAVE A FORK!!!! and if he wants kishka, then somehow, it will be mysteriousaly used up. hahahaha. you'll get your you unorthodox jew which is an oxycontin. i mean oxystupid, wait, that doesn't make sense, oxyidiot...you knwo what i mean when two words that are opposites are placed together as a compound phrase. as I was asying, youll get your you unorthodox jew. You may as well give up and move to new jersey because whn we're finished with you, youll NEVER GET AN ALIYAH IN THIS TOWN AGIAN unless you give a big enough donation. you haven't heard the last of us. we're on toyou like a sefira beard. we're watching you like a shiksa on 13th avenue. watch your back.
R' Gross,
The arrangements are in the works. I want to be precise with the dates before I announce it. I mean business...the world will know when I say something, not only is it going to happen, it's going to happen exactly the way I say it will, to the last detail.
Stay tuned...Im off to maariv at Weinfeld.
Wow, makes alot of sense. Ben Hersh-Wow
Even more scary.
Stand up guy, tremendous father, and has great taste in wine.
I now believe the story entirely.
Kolko should be castrated.
Romimu should be burned to the ground.
TOMO should be left the way it is. Shithole anyway.
Btw, UOJ, every idiotic poster from the past hour on this site is on your side. Be Matzliach!
Shlomo, Sheigetz, et al:
Hold on to your Borsalinos.....
if angrysoul is real why is his yahoo account that is posted on the blog shut down?
something fishy here.
angrysoul is VERY REAL.
Anon, How Dare You......
Thanks...I needed that laugh big time..really funny thanks, bro.
Thanks for the chizuk everyone; this is a milchemes mitzva that we will prevail, finally!
if angrysoul is real why is his yahoo account that is posted on the blog shut down?
something fishy here.
(ooh ooh i did good i did good i am smart i am smart)
Sherlock - angrysoul is unfortunately very, very real. He is a personal acquaintance and friend of myself and many others who have known his story for a long time.
UOJ - can't wait for the Kabolos Ponim you will get tomorrow at the T.A.B. dinner how much does is cost per couple. I wonder if anyone will sit in your daled amos?
oh yeah? if he's an angrySOUL then how can you be frineds> I learne din yeshiva that a soul, though real, has no physical form and there's a svara that a friend, and and acquaintance are both physical manifestations of a emotional bond between two people, ALSO physical. so if angrysoul really is an angry soul you couldn't possible be friends and acquaintances. Also, even if a soul could be a friend or acquaintance, how could it be both. a friend is a stronger bond and an acquaintance is more of a casual connection. Aha! I caught you in a fib. CLEARLY you're telling a lie, so by extension you must be an apikores, a mechalel shabbos, and a lot of other hebrew sounding character flaws. you see..all my kollel years are paying off. You're no match for my intellectual power.
UOJ, is it true that you are the inventor of TAB soda. That's what I heard whn i chopped ah incha at Rabbi Scwartenfinkelrabinowitstein, that shtieeble that's on that block in Flatbush. I heard it during krias sh'ma, so it must be true. No one would dare lie during shema.
the odd thing about the name used in this blog for the counselor, is that there doesnt seem to be anyone who heard of this rumor.
yet the accusation is everyone in the camp knew. doesnt shtim.
the tt thing was a bavusta rumor. but not this camp thing.
hey ouj, im sure your 2 daughters will be very proud of you when they and all their friends find ou that you are a michallel shabbos and they read all your wonderful writings that you tried to delete
scared to post about your daughters ben??
I think you mean Ben-Hecht, a truly great person with a major story, that was ignored by all.
scared to post post about your dining room table ben?? We know it has four legs and comes with eight chairs. getting scared?? we know all about you
hey ouj, im sure your aunt mildred will be very proud of you when she and all her friends find out that you used nivel peh when you stubbed your toe last week and what about the time you said a shehakol on licorice?? its mezonos you apikores. didn't you know there's flour in licorice or a re you too busy outing child mollesters. we know all about you ben
scared to post about the blue shirt you wear on shabbos ben??
scared to post about your 3 goldfish ben?? wait untill all your 'supporters' (boog, tt letter supporte) find out its been three weeks since you cleaned the filter and that the fish food wasn't certified by Rabbi Blumenkranz ben, you apikores moyzi shemrah ganif menuval chutzpanik rasha merusha mashiv haruach umorid hagashem. we know all about you!!
scared to post about your car ben?? we know you use 87 when the owners manual suggests at least 89.
Wasn't ben hecht also anonymous for a while?
What about Ben Franklin. Didn't he publish under a fake name too? Maybe UOJ is really Ben Hecht and Ben Franklin...
Hey Ben, where have you been? I couldn't find you.
Hey Ben, tiger is better now than you ever were.
Lol, If you wen't to Romimu you more then suspected it.
The guy always had kids on his lap.
The guy was always giving kids piggy back rides.
Was always spotted in Woodburn with a kid or kids in his car.
Always had favorites that were unseprateble by the hip.
RuchniGashmi,
Please tell me what posts you are referring to?
uoj
its a couple of comment on this post.
its about the camp and counselor.
dont need to allow this comment through.
what I don't understand is that if there is irrefutable proof that this guy Nosson Shapiro of east 26 and ave P molested and abused children in Camp Romimu, Including the atrocities and abuse of the poor Jew at angrysoul.blogspot.com, than why doesn't someone just go down to this guys house and take care of him??
If I had 100% proof and I didn't live out of N.Y.S. I would do this myself!!
Same with Kolko. Everyone knows where this guy lives and where he prays...It's not like these guys are the Taliban, hiding out in caves someplace, coming out in the balck of night.
These people are openly living amongst us. If they are truly guilty of these heinous crimes against our children and the only reason we haven't exposed them all of these years is because as Jews we are all scared of our shadows and afraid about the ramifications of this exposure for the shidduchim we need to make for our kids...then what the hell does that have to do with finding or paying someone to beat the living %^&*$#@! out of these people???!!!
It's not like you'd need to hire a private eye to find these guys first. They are living next door to us and essentially snubbing their noses in our faces.
I want each and every one of you readers to think just for a second...
If this Kolko guy, or Nosson Shapiro, or any of these sickos actually did any of these alleged crimes to YOUR OWN SON....ruining his life....and causing him to turn to a personal blog like the one at angrysoul.blogspot.com to find some solace for his shattered soul.....and now you knew that this guy was living like a "sheiner yid" two blocks down from you smack in the heart of Midwood (Flatbush)....would you actually wait for the long wheels of justice to turn....would a letter from OUJ in the mail be enough for you and your broken family and child....would some angry rhetoric on a blog like this one be enough to take back the happy child and family that you lost to this pervert monster????
Are we Jews out of our &^%$#@!*&^ minds!!!!
In any other community, these guys would be road kill first with questions asked later...
TRhe alleged crimes alone would be enough to sick these bastards...
I'm not suggesting that we don't get 100% proof first.
However, if that proof already exisits for the individual tortured families and children abused by these sickos, then I would feel like the concept of "kanoim poigim boi" is no more applicable than here....
KLEIN, SOLOMON ETC.
v.
JOEL KOLKO ET AL
SUPREME COURT
KINGS COUNTY
Index Number: 11965/1993
Why is this case sealed?
In 20 years I have not come across a sealed Kings County case.
Wish we could get a hold of these documents. Sorta like
I'll contact thesmokingun.
yeshiva review;
You are full of shit and your attitude and that of your fellow-travelers is the main reason we are in this "denial" deep-doodoo.
Yup...better not to speak "loshon hora" and let this vile retzicha continue.
Wow, this one also sounds intresting.
PROPERTY CLERK NYC POLICE
v.
KOLKO JOEL
SUPREME COURT
NEW YORK COUNTY
Index Number: 403681/1997
Ben Ladin
Ben Franklin wrote "Cheshbon Ha-nefesh"
www.yasharbooks.com/2004/11/musar-and-benjamin-franklin-ii.html
"many of us are not upset at your attack on various possible mollestors
but by your calling the ari zal full of s--- etc you have shown yourself to be a mivazeh chachmim and someone who has no chilek in olam haba"
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Please enlighten us, do child molesters have a Cheilak in Olam Habah? Do those who cynically allow child molesters to thrive have a Cheilak in Olam Habah?
As you commentators play, Yidi Kolko is sitting in a classroom with children.
True, UOJ has written many things that have offended many people. No one likes seeing their sacred cows maligned and it is understandable to be offended by many of the views he has expressed. I am. He has attacked many people I hold in high regard and many beliefs I hold dear.
Nonetheless, this should not detract from his current agenda.
We are all against child molesters. We have a serious problem that is killing our children. We must stop the killing. I for one would not have gotten involved in this issue without UOJ’s impetus. While I don’t agree with much that UOJ has posted, I do agree with him that Yidi Kolko must be removed from the classroom immediately and that we must do all we can to purge our yeshivas and camps from this disease.
Everyone I have spoken with who has dealt with the Kolko issue over the past twenty years has the same tale to tell. The moment this issue raises its ugly head, the attack campaigns commence.
Why?
We are an intelligent community steeped in unimaginable Chesed, we live for our children and we idealize right over wrong. Why when it comes to this horrific issue do we allow the Sitra Achra to take charge?
Every day that goes by without this issue being addressed is a day that someone we love may be hurt beyond our comprehension.
We are to ensure this does not happen.
Don't forget Ben Shlecht.
Seriously, UOJ, in the process of punishing an allegedly guilty person, you're allowing these kindergarden bullies to besmirch someone who might have nothing to do with this blog. (Unless you are Ben Hecht)
you forgot me.
Ben Hirsch?
Is he the guy that had a father named Hirsch?
Ben - Hirsch.
Okay, so I'm curious. What does TAB stand for?
letter-supporter;
Kudos to you.
I agree with you.
Withstand the onslaught.
It definitely would have been preferable to be led by our rabbonim and organizations on this issue, unfortunately this is not the case. They are too concerned with their own daled amos, bugs in the water, black hats, Indian hair sheitlech, MBP, and sundry.
Outright retzicha perpertrated on our children by trusted "Mechanchim" leading to a lifetime of deep emotional psychological, and behavioral wounds,
is either totally neglected or given short-shrift. The "victim" should know better than to complain.
I'm confident UOJ's actions and this blog will get results.
Think about it: This blog is really the first serious, focused, and relentless effort to rid these molesters from our Yeshivas.
Hang in there.
"You don't look too well Ben. Are you coming down with something? I hope it won't keep you from going to the TAB dinner. It would be such a pity. Or maybe you're just faking it because deep down you really care about TAB and would hate to be a major distraction at the dinner. Hmmmm, I guess we'll just have to wait and see."
These vague threats sound just like the molester described on angrysoul.blogspot.com who threatens to throw his 9-year-old victim off the cliff and over niagara falls. No wonder this guy is so anxious to shut ouj up.
"Thank god XXXX XXXXX went out of town, otherwise he would have to avoid you like hell."
this is comic genius. how do you losers make this stuff up? let me guess: if you send out another letter, we may REALLY have to threaten you not to do it again.
UOJ, If you are Ben Hecht, have the guts to admit it and shut these morons up. If you aren't then don't allow these posts to be printed. It's not fair to an innocent person who has nothing to do with the blog.
Hey chachomim of the ma nishtana lets just say its not ben aren't you just as guilty as you claim him to be. You have no idea who uoj is. You think you have found a target and now you gangsters can go after somebody. Be real careful because your going to end up with egg on your face big time. Make sure its not snowing outside when you come begging Ben for mechila without your socks you behaimos. We know who you are too.
What the hell is wrong with all my Jewsih brethren? Since when did we advocate vigilante justice, My Two Cents? You're seriously full of it if you think you can apply "kanoim pogim bo" here. If the guy you're talking about is a child molester, he should be prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law and put away for as long as possible. It's not up to you to go beat him up. You're a very sick man.
I know Ben Hirsch, and he is a fine, normal fellow. The too many negative posts about him emanate from the Margolies/Kolko camp. They're trying to intimidate him, and also UOJ. It won't work.
Rabbi Rubin?
Why bring the Sasragen Rebbi Shlita into this?
Leave the Rebba alone.
He's having a hard enough time recovering from his skiing injury.
The starting point in analyzing this situation from a Torahdike point of view is the well known psak that a child molester has a Din Rodef.
“Viailoo Shematzilin Oisum Binafshum Harodef Achar Hazochor.”
The Din Rodef is not a Din in Bais Din but a Mitzvah Al Kol Yisroel to be Matzil the Nirduf Bnafshi Shel Rodef. Obviously this Psak only applies to someone who is actively molesting children. The Kolko defenders argue that notwithstanding his past conduct, to their knowledge he hasn’t molested anybody recently. However, the question as to whether he constitutes a danger to children is clearly not resolved. Kolko has clearly lost his Chezkas Kashrus by virtue of his past conduct and based on medical knowledge of recidivist behavior among child molesters he poses a present danger to children.
Some talk about Teshuvah. However, when it comes to Bain Odom Lechaveiro there is no Teshuvah, Ad Sheyaratzeh Es Chaveiro. There can be no talk of Mechilah until Kolko compensates all of his victims in full. He’s never even tried. And for good reason. “Hachovel Bechaveiru Chayiv Bechameesha Devarim: Nezek, Tzaar, Reepoi, Sheves and Boishes.”
Do the math.
As Esther hamalka said “Ein Hatzar Shoiveh Binaizek Hamelech.”
Kolko's defenders cry Loshon Horoh. The issur of Loshon Horoh has no application here whatsoever since Loshon Horoh is clearly Muttar Litoyeles. There is no greater Toeles then saving Jewish children from abuse. Not only is it Muttar, it is an absolute Chiyuv Al Kol Yisroel, Lhatzil Es Hanirdofim – our defenseless Jewish children.
In fact, anybody who does not do everything in their power in this situation to save our children is over a Lav Doraysa of Lo Saamod Al Dam Reyacha. This includes spending your own resources to save another jew.
They who sit idly by are also being Mivatel the Mitzvah of Ubearta Hara Mikirbecha which is the absolute Chiyuv Al Kol Yisroel to remove evil from our midst.
There can be no greater evil than a man who has been Mazik the Goofim and, Rachmana Litzlan, the Neshomos of hundreds of Yiddeshe Kinderlech; Hashem Yishmireinu.
As the Posuk says by Shimon and Levi’s killing of Shechem, “Ki Nevulu Usisa Biyosroel Vichain Lo Yaoseh.” Those who would keep Kolko in a position to be further Mazik children are being Machzik Yidei Ovrei Aveirah and are Oiver the Lav of Lifnei Eevair Lo Seetain Michshol.
They are also Oiver the Lav of Lo Sosim Domim Bivaisecha, which applies to any Davar Shel Sakana. There is no greater Sakana then keeping a child molester around children.
The claim that this matter has not been well known is utter nonesense. The accusations against this man are the biggest Kolo Diloi Posik for over thirty years and there are Kamah Eidim to his Nevulos.
The people who are trying to save our children from this evil should be lauded like the true Kanoim in the Torah who took action while everybody else cried. They cried because Nisalmoh Meiham Halachoh.
When it comes to the problem of molestation it appears that we suffer from a collective Nisalmoh Mee Menu Halacha.
How can Torah be learned Kitzurosoh in a Mossad that harbors such a Menuval.
The true Roshei Yeshivah, Rabbeim and Bnai Torah in Yeshivah Torah Temimah should stand up as one and say Tzai Tumai, go out from among us unclean one, so we can learn Torah Al Taharas Hakodesh and not be compared Chas Visholom to one who is Toivel Visheretz Biyodo.
How come no new comments in a while? can it be because ben was busy at the tab dinner and didnt have time to moderate the comments afterwards? Just curious
I have spent the past few days reading all of the comments that have been posted to this blog and would like to comment.
It was not easy for me to finally open up and put in writing and post on this blog some of the things that Yidi Kolko did to me so many years ago at Yeshiva Torah Vodaas of Flatbush and at camp Agudah.
Yes, I've been carrying it for all of these years and no matter how hard I tried to forget about it, it always seems to be there. Always there. And with every case of child abuse or molestation that gets publicized, it's always there. Even today, even when I'm happily married with 4 wonderful children.
I recommend that each one of you look at your sons, or brothers and ask: can they possibly be a victim of sexual molestation by a rebbe, a teacher, a camp counselor, etc?
And if he/they were, would he be strong enough to tell you about it?
And then the question I ask is: Would you at all believe him?
For you would ask: how could it be that such an outstanding rebbe, teacher, counselor, etc., who everyone loves and raves about, how could he do something like this?
And your immediate response would automatically be: No, my son, for some reason, isn't telling the truth, he must be lying...
As I said before, I've lived with this for a very long time and it is time for Yidi Kolko to pay the price for what he did to me and to others.
What this price is I'll let others decide.
They say that time has a way of healing - from my own experience, it doesn't ever go away.
In order to survive and remain normal, one must be strong... and always and continuously believe in Hashem.
The starting point in analyzing this situation from a Torahdike point of view is the well known psak that a child molester has a Din Rodef.
“Viailoo Shematzilin Oisum Binafshum Harodef Achar Hazochor.”
The Din Rodef is not a Din in Bais Din but a Mitzvah Al Kol Yisroel to be Matzil the Nirduf Bnafshi Shel Rodef.
Obviously this Psak only applies to someone who is actively molesting children. The Kolko defenders argue that notwithstanding his past conduct, to their knowledge he hasn’t molested anybody recently. However, the question as to whether he constitutes a danger to children is clearly not resolved. Kolko has clearly lost his Chezkas Kashrus by virtue of his past conduct and based on medical knowledge of recidivist behavior among child molesters he poses a present danger to children.
Some talk about Teshuvah. However, when it comes to Bain Odom Lechaveiro there is no Teshuvah, Ad Sheyaratzeh Es Chaveiro. There can be no talk of Mechilah until Kolko compensates all of his victims in full. He’s never even tried. And for good reason. “Hachovel Bechaveiru Chayiv Bechameesha Devarim: Nezek, Tzaar, Reepoi, Sheves and Boishes.”
Do the math.
As Esther hamalka said “Ein Hatzar Shoiveh Binaizek Hamelech.”
Kolko's defenders cry Loshon Horoh. The issur of Loshon Horoh has no application here whatsoever since Loshon Horoh is clearly Muttar Litoyeles. There is no greater Toeles then saving Jewish children from abuse. Not only is it Muttar it is an absolute Chiyuv Al Kol Yisroel, Lhatzil Es Hanirdofim – our defenseless Jewish children.
In fact, anybody who does not do everything in their power in this situation to save our children is over a Lav Doraysa of Lo Saamod Al Dam Reyacha. This includes spending your own resources to save another jew.
They who sit idly by are also being Mivatel the Mitzvah of Ubearta Hara Mikirbecha which is an absolute Chiyuv Al Kol Yisroel to remove evil from our midst. There can be no greater evil than a man who has been Mazik the Goofim and Rachmana Litzlan the Neshomos of hundreds of Yiddeshe Kinderlech, Hashem Yishmireinu.
As the Posuk says by Shimon and Levi’s killing of Shechem “Ki Nevulu Usisa Biyosroel Vichain Lo Yaoseh.” Those who would keep Kolko in a position to be further Mazik children are being Machzik Yidei Ovrei Aveirah and are Oiver the Lav of Lifnei Eevair Lo Seetain Michshol.
They are also Oiver the Lav of Lo Sosim Domim Bivaisecha, which applies to any Davar Shel Sakana. There is no greater Sakana then keeping a child molester around children.
The claim that this matter has not been well known is utter nonesense. The accusations against this man are the biggest Kolo Diloi Posik for over thirty years and there are Kamah Eidim to his Nevulos.
The people who are trying to save our children from this evil should be lauded like the true Kanoim in the Torah who took action while everybody else cried. They cried because Nisalmoh Meiham Halachoh.
When it comes to the problem of molestation it appears that we suffer from a collective Nisalmoh Mee Menu Halacha.
How can Torah be learned Kitzurosoh in a Mossad that harbors such a Menuval.
The true Roshei Yeshivah, Rabbeim and Bnai Torah in Yeshivah Torah Temimah should stand up as one and say Tzai Tumai, go out from among us unclean one so we can learn Torah Al Taharas Hakodesh and not be compared Chas Visholom to a Toivel Visheretz Biyodo.
comments found in lakewoodinfo.blogspot.com
uoj
Its time for a new post.
Posted by Chaptzem
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
Rabbi Yidi Kolko accuser gets threatened
In the last couple of weeks a letter has been circulated on the internet regarding an alleged chronic child molester that is employed as a Rebbe at Yeshiva Torah Temima.
The letter not only alleges that this Rebbe has molested many children but it also says that the administration of the Yeshiva knows about this but won't do anything about it.
However to add insult to injury, Yeshiva Torah Temima has not only totally ignored the letter and refused to take action against this vile being, but rather they have put out a threat to retaliate against the originator of this letter. More so, Yeshiva Torah Temima has said that since it has no legal recourse to the letter writer because he has not violated any law, they will nevertheless 'take matters into their own hands' with regard to their recourse against him.
Hey, I didn't know Torah Temima was Catholic institution.
http://chaptzem.blogspot.com/2006/02/rabbi-yidi-kolko-accuser-gets.html#comments
posted by Chaptzem
You sick animals to defend a known predator. Unlike UOJ's opinion formed by carefully researched information, you are naming names (alleged author of this blog) based upon hearsay.
It is a fact that Kolko is a pedophile. This is firsthand knowledge from his family! It is a fact that the one mentioned in regards to AngrySoul is a CHILD RAPIST! Again, first-hand knowledge! It is beyond me how UOJ can be attacked on account of the selfless mission he is on. I hope Kolko and Camp Guy dies a horrible death and all the vicious, baseless opponents rot in hell.
Rabbi Rubin...skiing injury my ass!
The guy got hurt when the pile of money he was counting fell on his pecker.
Ougth to tech all you pricks who daven there a lesson about how you throw your "cash" around!!
Dumb sasregener pricks.......
das torah;
your posting was a fresh breath of air.
yasher koach.
UOJ;
I read your blog a few days ago and was truly appalled and shocked. Appalled by the fact that such a thing can exist in our community and shocked that he may be my child’s Rebbe. Yet I can’t help but feel from your writings and comments that you’re out for "blood" and that you wouldn’t have it any other way. Though you may say that our “leaders” aren’t doing anything, I believe if you truly sought to rectify the situation you could have set up a meeting with say, R’ Shmuel Kamenetzky and told him all the “evidence” that you have and see what happens.
In our day we know all too well the power of the terrorist. It makes no difference how great the cause, a man can plant a bomb in the name of AIDS Awareness, he’s still a terrorist. And thogh a terrorist may win a battle or two, ultimately his war will be lost.
daas torah- on the money. everythign u said is totally on target. the problem is people- for some stupid reason- just cant admit that things like this exist and go on, and are so unwilling to ruin the fantasy world that they live in, so they choose not to believe. we live in a sad world..... state of the jewish ppl in general is terribly sad. PPl please wake up..... before these g-d awful things happen to you or your children.
What does Sasregen have to do with all this? Other than the fact that there are a few ex-cons there?
why dont you come out of hiding and show us a witnis i stand fully behind rabbi kolko and rabbi margolis because i konow them very well also they are bothe talmid chachams so dont call them degrading names it only takes away from your credibilty
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